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#3513
bow question 8 Years, 4 Months ago Karma: 0  
hello ! I was thinking of getting myself a larp-bow, so i thought I'd ask the experts...

any advice on which ones are good ? does anyone still sell crossbows ? and if i get a longbow, what sort of poundage is normal ? (or is the power of the bow just a matter of personal taste ?

(lots of questions there !)
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Re:bow question 8 Years, 4 Months ago Karma: 7  
Crossbows are like rocking horse shit since arrowcaster stopped trading. They sometimes pop up on ebay but tend to sell for more than they cost new! Check with SFB to see if the system has a limit on the poundage for bows, 25lb seems to ring a bell. Ther are others better qualified about what is the 'best' type of bow, all I'll say is get something that you are happy with and comfortable using.
Most of the online Larp stores sell bows (LRP store, Larp Inn, Adventure mart etc) so you should find what you need.

hope that helps a little

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Re:bow question 8 Years, 4 Months ago Karma: 22  
You should aim for a pull of approx 30bs @ 28" draw perhaps even lighter to be on the safe side if you intend to take it any of the larger fest systems who will ban you from using it if it is heavier than this.

Saying that safe bow use really is down to the user. Pat (TaFKaRM on this forum) used to use a much heavier pull bow than that perfectly safely as he knew what he was doing. Even moreso than a melee weapon safe bow use is down to the user than the bow itself.

Personally I don't like longbows or "flatbows" and perfer to use recurve bows in the style of mongol horse archers. The nicest shooting bow I have ever owned was a "Nimrod" from the following site: www.recurvebowshop.com/hungarian+recurve+bows.htm however the string-points were a little fragile and I ended up breaking it.

Currently I use a "traditional hunter" from Quicks archery. Available in a selection of pull strengths it's a nice quick bow but does take some getting used to as it doesn't have an arrow rest or or set nock-point relying instead of you shooting off your thumb or the top of your hand depending on the style you use.

Cross-bows. . . not that easy to get hold of anymore although there was someone on the Rule7 forums who was considering starting manufactuing some again. forums.rule7.co.uk/Topic90171-32-1.aspx

Honestly in HQ I wouldn't recommend a crossbow as a primary weapon due to the lack of range (although the possibilities of a mage/acolyte using the "cast through bow" skills are intriguing) and slow-ish rate of fire.


Whichever way you go I would recommened the new "IDV" style arrows. They are manufactured in Germany and are generally (at least in my opinion) better than the more traditional LRP arrows as they fly better (and accuracy = safety provided you know what you are doing).


Cheers

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Re:bow question 8 Years, 4 Months ago Karma: 0  
'having a larp' have started selling crossbows at maelstrom. I don't know their price or poundage. They don't seem to have them listed on the website but I'm sure if you contact them they can send you details and pictures.
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Re:bow question 8 Years, 3 Months ago Karma: 6  
Saying that safe bow use really is down to the user. Pat (TaFKaRM on this forum) used to use a much heavier pull bow than that perfectly safely as he knew what he was doing. Even moreso than a melee weapon safe bow use is down to the user than the bow itself.

Like Shaun I use(d) a recurve Hunting-style bow although mine was 34lb at the same draw. It is worth noting though that, when playing my archer, I tended to operate at very long range and only drew the bow back to about 20" draw if shooting from close range (shooting with the bow horizontal, from the hip as it were). I wouldn't say I knew what I was doing though

On the few occasions my bow was used by others I forgot to remind them of this and some complaints were made . I once shot Andy Goodman in the face at full draw from about 30ft. away which looked quite painful for him - although that was during time out so it doesn't count .

Most Larp archers I have seen prefer to shoot from relatively short distances (20-40ft. is not unusual) so I would strongly urge using a bow with lower poundage. When I drag Run-with-Wolf out again it is very likely that I shall try and obtain a 28lber so that accidents don't happen. 25lb would probably be sufficient and would ensure that you are compliant at the larger fests. From a safety point of view the quality of the arrows is actually more important than the poundage of the bow. I prefer old-fashioned flat-heads with a good layer of soft foam to these new-fangled ball-ended ones despite the latters better flight characteristics but again that is very much personal preference and I have never personally witnessed an archery related injury on an event with either arrow type.

If you see other archers on events ask if you can have a few test shots with their bow and get a feel for what is comfortable for you - there are many different styles and what suits one person may be almost unusable in another's hands.

And don't even look for a nice reproduction of a long bow - they don't come in anything like a low enough poundage.

As a complete aside Mike F. use to have a lovely "bone" bow where the body had been decorated with foam and latex to look like dragon bones. No idea where he obtained it but it was the most 'fantasy' style bow I have seen and made for a very impressive prop.

Oh yeah, and crossbows really do suck. I've been tempted to build a rifle sized one with a decent poundage to see if it could be viable but it's a project near the bottom of a very long list. The only Larp crossbows I have ever seen (admittedly only about 5 different types) have been so pitiful that the bolt barely goes 20ft and can be plucked from air quite handily by a reasonably spritely pensioner let alone parried with a sheild (or a hanky, spoon or small twig). They do fulfill the "Rule of Cool" though - especially the dueling pistol model .
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Re:bow question 8 Years, 3 Months ago Karma: 5  
patmcnally wrote:
[quote]I once shot Andy Goodman in the face at full draw from about 30ft. away which looked quite painful for him - although that was during time out so it doesn't count .

Now you're just bragging.....

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Re:bow question 8 Years, 3 Months ago Karma: 2  
Having been shot in the face and in the eye too many times I don't think bows are safe at all.

I'm convinced that the shot I got in my eye on the pre-heroquest which took me out of the combat from the pain and had me unable to see properly from that eye for a few hours was a massive contributor to me getting a detached retina 4 weeks later.

Personally, I won't be taking part in LRP combats where anyone is pointing a bow around. I'm simplt not willing to chance another arrow in the eye and having to have surgery again. 3 operations and 2 months off work recovering is a massive deterrent.
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Re:bow question 8 Years, 3 Months ago Karma: 6  
patmcnally wrote:
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As a complete aside Mike F. use to have a lovely "bone" bow where the body had been decorated with foam and latex to look like dragon bones. No idea where he obtained it but it was the most 'fantasy' style bow I have seen and made for a very impressive prop.


Was trying out this bow last week and just asked Mike where he got it from. He says he bought it from Mike Stringer ages ago, and while I have no idea who that is he says most HQers will know
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Re:bow question 8 Years, 3 Months ago Karma: 6  
Thanks for the tip Chiomanri.
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Re:bow question 8 Years, 3 Months ago Karma: 2  
hey all,

just come off augfest and after trying the bow and lrp safe arrows there. i was amazed how hard it is to keep firing it with any hope of accuracy. plus i agree in some way about the eyes thing i was stupid enough to fire in a manner of over head, (DANT HIT ANYTHING OR ANYONE OF ALL THE LUCK) but i think in a capacity of at a range the bow is a great skill once learned.

how do u account for the heaviness of the head to fire accurately though???

mike
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