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#1428
Re:Hammertime 8 Years, 8 Months ago Karma: 22  
I don't really agree that people should do this just because it effectively doubles their character's lives (even if it does).

On the other hand taking a shield because it effectively allows you to stand in the front rank twice as long, or requiring less healing, is a perfectly acceptable IC justification for a wannabe meatshield type. Gravesong has a two handed weapon but he'll only ever use it in exceptional circumstances those being needing the additional damage boost to get through particularly nasty defenses (the Realm Lord of Battle for example) or because he's fighting Chaff that can't actually injure him (ahhh Agothian Minions, how we love thee).

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#1443
Re:Hammertime 8 Years, 8 Months ago Karma: 14  
darrell wrote:
Why encourage new players in the system to think in this sort of way?
What, that if they have an in character reason to not use a shield then go for it, otherwise use a shield?
Seems like pretty reasonable thinking to me...

My warrior doesn't use a shield but then he's a Samurai so that would be a bit odd really if he did. (hence my comment about in character reasons)
Unfortunately high hit systems don't support the 2H weapon fighting style. They're much more viable in real life or a system with low/single hits. (not that I want to play such a sytem)

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#1444
Re:Hammertime 8 Years, 8 Months ago Karma: 8  
yup in real life TM you just can't afford to take 1 hit" whilst getting within the weapon swing so you can play drums with your trusty dagger which is where the downside comes. However theres definitely a place to be a 2nd line warrior in a party with a proper shield wall standing behind the front line and smacking the monsters over your mates....
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#1445
Re:Hammertime 8 Years, 8 Months ago Karma: 7  
adamtennant wrote:
What, that if they have an in character reason to not use a shield then go for it, otherwise use a shield?
Seems like pretty reasonable thinking to me...


The point is that you suggest that using a shield should be the default position. (Compare 'if they have an in character reason to use a shield then go for it, otherwise don't use a shield'.)

I don't see any especially good roleplaying reasons to suggest that using a shield should be standard (as a warrior or otherwise). Nor do you suggest any.

In short, I was concerned that your comment might encourage a metagaming stance, which isn't really what Heroquest strives to be about. (I am sure that Bruce et al. will correct me if this has changed.)

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#1448
Re:Hammertime 8 Years, 8 Months ago Karma: 0  
And now time for the "Third Way" tuppence topic-diluting comment:

I use 2 daggers and have been accused of having "a third arm" when it came down to defense because I blocked as many or more shots than a shield-user did.

There's a whole lot to be said for the 2-swords (or random fave weapon) style of fighting. I can't attack in as "carefree" a way as a shield user generally but I find I can honestly defend just as well.

However, this is with the proviso that Ygarl has a great deal less reach, no armour, and if I don't see an attack coming I have both no chance to incidentally block a hit, and no defense (armour/dex) against it!

Perhaps a two-weapon-using armour-wearer may find this a valid technique as well.... Say, a high-dex Elf-type warrior etc. However in a front-line shield-wall type of scenario they (and I...) are about as useful as a chocolate teapot. So Ygarl just doesn't get IN a front-line. Unless he does, and then needs a broken bone fixed. But there ya go.

YMMV.
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#1450
Re:Hammertime 8 Years, 8 Months ago Karma: 8  
I REALLY don't want to encourage people taking 2 weapons (and in fact in the proposed rule changes there is a specific skill for 2 weapon fighting) because unless your competent (like Bob) you look pants and basically either flap your arms about neither looking like a real sword blow or drum roll. IF the 2nd weapon is only used to parry then it works OK (again if your competent) but start to attack with 2 weapons and all verisimilitude goes out the window...
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#1451
Re:Hammertime 8 Years, 8 Months ago Karma: 3  
petesutton wrote:
However theres definitely a place to be a 2nd line warrior in a party with a proper shield wall standing behind the front line and smacking the monsters over your mates....

We have shield walls?
.. See this May's front-line, almost all 2nd rank flangey types.
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#1452
Re:Hammertime 8 Years, 8 Months ago Karma: 8  
never said it were common....
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#1453
Re:Hammertime 8 Years, 8 Months ago Karma: 7  
jemross wrote:
petesutton wrote:
However theres definitely a place to be a 2nd line warrior in a party with a proper shield wall standing behind the front line and smacking the monsters over your mates....

We have shield walls?
.. See this May's front-line, almost all 2nd rank flangey types.


Front line? What's that?

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#1467
Re:Hammertime 8 Years, 8 Months ago Karma: 22  
I have to agree with Pete on the two weapon fighting thing and not just becaues I am one of those weapon flappers (unless the off-hand is a Staff but that fighting style, despite how much I like it, does smell vaguely of ripe cheese). There are very few people who can pull it off and still be entertaining to fight (or watch fight).

Regarding the May shield wall . . . . hmm entertaining.
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