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#12096
Re:Formal notice from the Shadowsfall 5 Years ago Karma: 26  
Sorry then Master Delta, a bad assumption on my part, you were already engaged in combat when I looked over & I clearly made a mistake about who initiated it.

So we were attacked in the waystation by Shadowsfall and then they have the gall to put out a contract on us?
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#12097
Re:Formal notice from the Shadowsfall 5 Years ago Karma: 11  
Yes Lucy seems even clearer now that the Shadowfall were over stepping their remit.

I whole heatedly back Master Delta in his stance with regards Shadowsfall until they retract these accusations then they will be treated thus.

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Re:Formal notice from the Shadowsfall 5 Years ago Karma: 11  
I like where this is going so I am in!
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#12099
Re:Formal notice from the Shadowsfall 5 Years ago Karma: 4  
It was only a matter of time, eh Renown?

Although I have a great deal of sympathy for those so treated and threatened by the Shadowsfall, I feel duty bound to say that not all of their tower are always of the same mind or purpose.

It is almost certain that this is the work of some group or faction and not the whole. If we could discover which and why, then our position may be strengthened and our response made all the more effective and focused.

Still, keep you guard up and failing all else... have at them.

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#12100
Re:Formal notice from the Shadowsfall 5 Years ago Karma: 11  
You know me Kal. I fought hard against the Shadowsfall for a couple of years in a effort to stop the Chancellery mucking around with the Mystics (though they are a bunch of wierdos too) and felt the full force of their 'holier than thou' ways. Some of them were nice enough and even helpful but for the most part they expect to be obeyed/answered without explaination.

I am all up for talking to reasonable Shadowsfall, though in my experience they are a rare breed!

In this current clime I would suggested handling them at the end of the sword.
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#12102
Re:Formal notice from the Shadowsfall 5 Years ago Karma: 8  
The way I understand it - and feel free to correct me as I may have seen this wrong

The Shadowsfall declared that the Valdemar were occupying their old Tower illegally, they declared that the Valdemar were now classed as Towerless and that therefore all Valdemar were to be executed.

The group led by Kudos sought to stop the Shadowsfall carrying out the execution.

To Shadowsfall eyes (and don't get me wrong here I'm not saying their right just thinking what their perspective is) that group sought to stop the Shadowsfall carrying out "the will of the Mystics" and enacting a law

I'm fairly sure that if asked for clarification the Shadowsfall will quote the law "Neither Towers nor their yield shall be used to succour those without Tower."

It makes sense to me, again not saying it's "right" (that's a whole other discussion about the Shadowsfall's assumed authority for the governence of Orin Rakatha) but they are acting within what they think is their remit.

I'd also council caution here, lets not forget they do have the power to shut Towers down (remember the Azad An)
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Re:Formal notice from the Shadowsfall 5 Years ago Karma: 11  
As I understand it a tower which is a creation of the Mystics will only allow occupancy if you have the authority to be there, therefore clearly the Valdmar in the eye of the mystics are meant to be there.
The rule you quote Marten as I understand it is to stop occupied towers sheltering Towerless.

The Shadowfall declaring them Towerless on a whim with no regard to hearing any case, or declaring it properly to all towers but by random force of arms in a waystation, and then not hearing any sway in judgement but trying to impose an iron fist judgement isn't going to do them any favors.

The Shadowsfall have fallen from grace in the years gone due to various reasons if they are to regain the respect they once had then they better rethink their strategy or they will just drive a bigger wedge between reason and force.

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#12106
Re:Formal notice from the Shadowsfall 5 Years ago Karma: 8  
Because the Shadowsfall always act on a whim and have always explained in painstaking detail all their decisions....

Any way we can find out if this is a general edict or a random group declaring a war against the Valdemar?
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#12107
Re:Formal notice from the Shadowsfall 5 Years ago Karma: 26  
What's the betting that if the Valdemar had chosen any other Tower to set their sights on, they wouldn't be in this pickle?

The Shadowsfall want to keep the lid on the ex-Tower-of-the-4-Winds ex-anyone-who's-ever-lived-there as it is one heck of a dodgy place! (Crazy fools coming back!)

If the Shadowsfall had gone about their business of simply executing the Valdemar, as per their orders, our party leader had already made the call that we wouldn't interfere.

If they're going to attack Valley members standing by with weapons sheathed then they're hardly going about their assigned business (and asking for trouble, we'd be breaking our Laws if we stood by and let them, as I BET THEY KNOW). We weren't stopping the Valdemar being executed, we were defending ourselves.

Anyway, stupid idiots, getting themselves killed.
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#12114
Re:Formal notice from the Shadowsfall 5 Years ago Karma: 1  
Here is a little more clarity on how the fight started.
One of the Shadowsfall had started attacking one of the Valdemar in the Waystation. Bob was very upset and I was not at all happy about it. I stepped between the two – holding up my empty hands – and asked for clarification on the ‘Law’ against attacking in Waystations. At this point the Shadowsfall started attacking me and I drew my weapon and defended myself. Technically, therefore, I was not 'standing by' with weapons sheathed, I was 'standing in their way' with weapons sheathed.

Here is another piece of my perspective on this situation.
If anyone in Orin Rakatha (or anywhere else for that matter) is happy to approach me and mine in the spirit of friendship and alliance – then I am more than happy to deal with them in a like fashion (assuming they are not being duplicitous). Personally, I don’t care where they do or do not live. And if the ‘Law’ or Orin Rakatha says that such people are to be executed then this is a ridiculous ‘Law’ and I am happy to disregard it. No-one will persuade me that my moral compass if off course in this regard.
Clearly, others may have a different moral perspective than I, and they are welcome to their own opinion – but I shall not stand by and watch pleasant, well meaning people be butchered – no matter how many ‘Laws’ are quoted. I will certainly not stand by and allow the Shadowsfall to perform such actions - as the Shadowsfall, more than anyone else I can think of, are the most duplicitous group of individuals I have ever encountered. At least when I meet the Khalid I know where I stand. The same is true for vassals of the Witch King. I may not like them – but they don’t pretend to be something they are not.

Returning for a moment to the ‘Law’ that the Valdemar were allegedly breaking... I don’t believe for a moment that there is a ‘Law’ requiring the execution of towerless. One of the well known functions of the mists is to catch towerless unprotected and convert them into hordlings. This simple fact obviates the need for any ‘Law’ regarding killing towerless. The only ‘Law’, therefore, is not to shelter towerless in your tower. If, however, anyone has an issue regarding the Valdemar illegally occupying a vacant tower then as far as I am concerned, this is a matter for the Mystics – and the only reasonable solution is to ‘fix’ the broken tower.

Over recent years I have met many Shadowsfall travelling alone or in pairs. I wonder how many small groups I shall meet now!

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