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#12381
Re:Call to Arms 4 Years, 6 Months ago Karma: 5  
Hmmmm

What interesting views .
Kylar I was with you at the time and although I cannot and will not discuss what happend I am fully aware of the reason you show so much Hate towards the Hieghts and I am in full agreement with you that they are not to trusted and should most definitely not be treated as allies.

Our position as a tower
After our war with the Kalid we are indeed in need of allies but we are also not in need of new enemies . Since when were we at war with the Dymwan ?

On a fair few of my last outings the party have had dealings with and worked with the Dymwan !

The Dymwan may see us aiding the Halmadonians as an act of war !!
Is this a wise move for our tower ? I think not .

I have personally had dealings with both the Hieghts and the Dymwan and if I had to choose one as an enemy it would be the heights ! In recent years it has been them who have caused more trouble for the Vally by aiding the Kalid and playing a major roll in the loss of 2 towers !!

Brother Anthony

I ask again if you are out in the field with Halmadonion crusaders and you come face to face with a Vally party containing evil sphere users ..... Where will your loyalty be ?


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#12382
Re:Call to Arms 4 Years, 6 Months ago Karma: 14  
I am afraid that High Priest Anthony (he is not a Brother), has already left our Tower with a small group of other Valley members on personal business, so won't be able to answer you; leave sanctioned by the Sector Lords.

I am sure he will be very interested to see that he has started this interesting debate. His request, and approval for absence of leave, is quite clear - he will be joining some members of the Heights to fight Dymwan. He will not be, and is not authorised to, fight members of our Tower, regardless of their persuasions.

Our law is quite clear on this matter - any member of our Tower that causes the harm or the death of another member of our Tower will answer to their Sector Lord. Sir Clavados is his Sector Lord and will not tolerate this law to be broken.

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Re:Call to Arms 4 Years, 6 Months ago Karma: 14  
I, for one, applaud High Priest Anthony's actions. He is obviously a man of conviction and strives to do his order's work. I would have considered joining in the crusade along with him myself but my allegiance is to Fortune's Keep and I feel that in our weakened state my sword arm is required near the tower.

And Vallan, there was a little incident called "The Dymwan War" not all that long ago that we were involved in, let alone the Agoth Experiment. The Dymwan should never be trusted or dealt with if at all possible.
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Re:Call to Arms 4 Years, 6 Months ago Karma: 3  
I can see both sides of this argument and applaud both but at the same time shouldnt we allow one of our own to do as he stands for. if he wishes to do so having sought out the permission of Sir Calvados which has been granted, and still abiding by our laws when it comes to the harm or death of one of our own and will, if possible, return to our towers when his personal mission is complete, allow him to do so, knowing that it is what he wishes and not stand in his way.

If we didnt let him go or got in his way then we wouldnt be the tower that we proffess ourselves to be.

On the few occasions I have met the Halmadonians and what I know of them, I cant say I'm their biggest fan, but the same can be said of me towards the Dymwan.

This being said, kylar, and i understand your point utterly and more so than others i believe, not being in a situation as dire as yours, but in one similar myself, due to the dissappearance of my own brother, would you, if you met him in the field along side the Halmadonians break our laws yourself by attacking High Priest Anthony? Knowing full well that he is still bound by our laws in that way? I'd think long and hard regarding your answer to that, especially regarding the position you currently hold within our tower.

I myself am currently not connected to any sphere, and if and when the time comes that i find myself connected to one, my opinion may change, but I personally have no problem with anyone in our tower putting their faith in either of the spheres and using them as at the end of the day it beneifts us all. Thus being I beleive we should allow High Priest Anthony to go and do as he believes is right, as currently it has no standing on us as a tower as a whole. what will come of this remains to be seen, and im sure, that together, we will all deal with the outcome in the best possible way. we may not all agree with others beliefs, but we all agree on one thing and that we are a tower and as tower we stand and as a tower we fall.

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Re:Call to Arms 4 Years, 6 Months ago Karma: 2  
To reply to your poini ksndra
1 what has happen between me and sister is not something i wish to be discussed
2 If i met High priest anthony in the field of course i would not attack him. That is the law
You may not understand this but without law, without order everything would just collapse into chaos. That is what brought us too this place too begin with. Ask the Knight about Black wolf if you want to know more. If my time in wolfhold and then darkholm has taught me anything it is that law matters. if anthony breaks this law against any member of our tower then punishment wil be swift. However much i may hate the heights that does not change our laws. and those i will not break.
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#12392
Re:Call to Arms 4 Years, 6 Months ago Karma: 5  
Hmmm

Even more interesting points of view but I feel some of you are missing the point I am trying to make.

Lets just imagine that myself, Kylar and a few other like minded individuals decided to hook up with some other evil sphere users in order to give any Halmadonians we could find a bloody good kicking in order to weaken there crusade before it came to fortunes keep..

Lets be honest there would be uproar

Unless of course your a holy, goody goody with over polished armour and a shiny sword who says rituous in every other sentence in which case you get a pat on the head and told well done.
typical kern vally politics.... is it any wonder we lost two towers.

I pray for the day when the Dreadlord regains enough status to once again take his own tower.

(these oppinions are my own and do not reflect the will or oppinions of our Tower or our people)


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#12393
Re:Call to Arms 4 Years, 6 Months ago Karma: 14  
High Priest Vallan,

I think you'll find that the reason for people's attitudes towards you and other "like minded individuals" is in the name of the sphere you worship.
Evil, both literally and figuratively, is not a good thing.

I would love to stay and talk but I must get back to polishing my armour.

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#12394
Re:Call to Arms 4 Years, 6 Months ago Karma: 12  
Vallan

I can see your point - it seems that the general consensus is that we are fine going after the Dymwan, but not Halmadonians. I think that there's a lot of personal agendas and prejudices at play here - you and Kylar are never likely to be on good terms with followers of the Good Sphere, Tarndeth and his ilk aren't going to be well disposed towards Necromancers. I myself am HIGHLY prejudiced against the Dymwan, mainly due to my experiences at the hands of the followers of Agoth some years ago. But lets try and put that aside and examine the bigger picture.

Relationships between towers are fluid and ever changing. There have been times when the Dymwan were at war with ALL towers on OR - The Dymwan war and the Agoth Experiment. There was also a time when Wolfhold and the Dymwan were in alliance. In the future, the situation will no doubt change. The Halmadonians and the White Retreat were once on good terms and now the Hakmadonians threaten a Crusade against ex-members of that Tower due to them being forced to associate with ex-Wolfholders in Fortunes Keep.

As we are all only too well aware, Fortune's Keep is not as strong as the old Kern Valley Alliance, and so we must attempt to gain advantage were we can. This can be through strength of arms, subterfuge, diplomacy or whatever is most appropriate in the circumstances.

What I see here is one Tower, Halmadon's Hights, crusading against another - the Dymwan. Both of these towers represent a threat to ours. The Dymwan I would judge dangerous through looking at their past behavior and the Halmadonians through their stated intent. The outcome of the Crusade will be, I'll wager, a weakening of both towers. Perhaps the Heights will be so weakened in the struggle against Cardonaris that they will no longer be in a position to threaten us. Perhaps they will be successful in their Crusade and remove the Dymwan threat altogether.

What I'm trying to get at is that we have two towers that threaten us fighting one another. At the moment, this should be encouraged.

I'm also not altogether convinced that the Crusade will turn towards us. Though they did assist the Kalid against the Dreadlord at the time of reckoning, it's my understanding that opinion within the Heights was somewhat divided over whether that was a good course of action.

In closing, and just so you feel less victimised, should the Crusade turn towards us, count me in when you assemble your party to go give them a kicking. But until that time, let's just watch and wait.
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#12395
Re:Call to Arms 4 Years, 6 Months ago Karma: 5  
Although my gut tells me to be most wary of the Halmadonians as they currently represent the greater threat to the Balance, I suggest we all calm down. Only one individual (so far) has been released to follow this agenda, it hardly represents an alliance. Who knows, perhaps others of our number have been quietly released to work with the Dymwan too? Surely its best to keep some official links with both Towers for as long as possible, even if some kind of war is inevitable?

We should keep an open mind about this issue as long as possible, though that should not mean that we should be indecisive when the time comes to take sides.
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Re:Call to Arms 4 Years, 6 Months ago Karma: 5  
A very interesting discussion going on here!

From my experience in the field, I would say that the Halmadonians are a very factional people, even more so than ourselves, which is bizarre given their dedication to a single sphere.

The Dymwan, however, are considerably more single minded and ordered under a single purpose. Due, I'm sure to the iron willed leadership from Cardinaris and his priesthood.

Perversly, this leads me to trust dealings with the Dymwan more than the Halmadonians based on the simple idea that they are more predictable. Not that a great deal of wariness isn't required however, as with dealing with any tower!

To be clear, I've not experienced any deal breaking from either tower but I keep an open (and guarded) mind on the subject.

I admire the dedication the Halmadonians put into their efforts to remove the evil sphere but at the same time I pity them for embarking on a goal that can never be completed.

The spheres are a natural part of this (and possibly every other) world and so will always exist, until perhaps the end of all things.

It would be better for the Halmadonians to inspire people to be more trusting and thereby begin to move users of all spheres towards a kind of unified peoples. Does not our own example show that tolerance for all spheres and peoples can lead to cooperation and prosperity?

As a good sphere user myself, I do my best not to judge others on the powers they use to accomplish those goals that are necessary. I believe that we express the powers and spheres that best fit our natures but ultimately they are all part of the sphere of life, to which we shall all return when we pass to the beyond.

Does it not seem odd then, that we should struggle so vehemently against others based on how that power manifests itself? Better to improve inter tower relations and diplomacy to start to bring us all together and remove conflict.

That can only start with trust.

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