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#1752
An Opportunity to Oppose Tyranny 8 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 7  
The King and his Council will make decisions affecting all the people who dwell in the land known as Rol Farintar. Yet these people will not, it seems, be allowed a voice in how they are governed unless they swear fealty to a King that was imposed upon them.

The forthcoming 'elections' illustrate the point. You can have a vote and become a representative only if you swear fealty to a specific person, the King. Loyalty to the Alliance itself counts for nothing.

I believe that this is wrong both morally and for the cohesion of the Alliance.

Consider first the case of those already resident on Rol Farintar. What if the drow were to point out -- accurately -- that their right to much of the land predates the King's, and endeavour to impose their rule? Would we be happy if they allowed us to have a say in what happened provided that we swore fealty to Lord Darketh Nightspawn? What makes our actions any different?

Consider second those of us who have spent our whole lives in the service of the Alliance and the Valley People, and will now be denied representation in our homeland by the society that we fought so hard to protect (simply because we refuse to swear fealty to one man). This is a disgrace.

So I encourage all non-Kingsmen to petition Duke Hanrow, or even the King directly, for a voice. I hope that many members of Wolfhold, who are especially lacking in representation on the King's Council, will be especially vocal in their support.

I also encourage Kingsmen to spoil their ballot papers, in support of more representative, and fairer, governance. Since when has swearing fealty to the King been a mark of loyalty to the Alliance, or a means by which to discriminate between those who do, and those who do not, deserve to be politically represented?

And do, please, make your thoughts and feelings known here even if you disagree with me. (I am, after all, in support of a freer society; one where people can speak their minds.)

Lux,

Quicksilver

P.S. I should add that I write on my own behalf only, and not as a representative of any body within the KVA.
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#1753
Re:An Opportunity to Oppose Tyranny 8 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 5  
Dear Quicksilver,

I couldn't disagree with you more.

I am dismayed by the fear that the coming of the King has generated in some quarters. However I have faith that it is a temporary feeling that comes with any change to the status quo. In time (possibly even a generation)I think the coming of the King will bring our Alliance together, not force it apart. Hence I take the long view of the situation. I do not think that those who choose not to swear to the King have anything to fear or feel they do not have the King's ear. A good King is wise to listen to the dissenters perhaps more so than his inner circle. Nothing that the King has done during his tenure makes me feel 'Tyranny' describes his rule. I think his caution reflects a desire to be inclusive to all.

Swearing to the King is a matter of conscience as you describe, but also requires a certain leap of faith that it will result in positive change. Nothing truely worth achieving was ever done without risk and difficulty, as we know from our struggles in wider Orin Rakatha, so it may be the same within our own tower walls.

Above all, the fact that our King is recognised by the spheres reassures me that my faith in the King is well placed.

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#1754
Re:An Opportunity to Oppose Tyranny 8 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 26  
Here Sorcerer Quicksilver, nice argument but I reckon you're onto a bit of a loser trying to convince the kingsmen (and kingswomen) of that, as they are all pro-king and his rule by default!

One assumes that the most esteemed Guildleader & Primus member Geran sal Beridan is already sworn to the King. Is it possible to reveal for how long she has been sworn?

p.s. 'Lo there Teppic, knocked anyone out of their meditate recently? 'Grats on becoming a Hero, mate!
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Re:An Opportunity to Oppose Tyranny 8 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 7  
Teppic,

I do not object to the notion that there be a King.

I do not object to the person who is the King. I have served with him.

I do not even complain, despite my serious misgivings, that rule is being imposed on people who do not wish it.

I object that rule is being imposed on people who are not even being given the opportunity to be represented.

Swear fealty (to an official representative of the Empire) or have no vote, and no official voice. What kind of a choice is that?

Lux,

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Re:An Opportunity to Oppose Tyranny 8 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 14  

Above all, the fact that our King is recognised by the spheres reassures me that my faith in the King is well placed.

Yeah, well the book's still out on that one from some of the things I've heard and seen. I ain't decided on that front yet.

And if the King's so keen on representing and listening to everyone, why are there only Kings men on the council?

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Re:An Opportunity to Oppose Tyranny 8 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 2  
Hey all i know i should probably butt out right now but i feel strongly about this even though i dont know if ive got this right

even if we havent sworn to his royal highness why should we be excluded from votes. we are kva we fight to protect the good and the bad of our lands and we die in war as is destiny laid down by our ancestors. the people of rol farintir are our brothers and sisters and should be as we are just cus they live in lands set away from us why are they different, do they not bleed when wounded do they call for battle when angered so why are they any different.

We should be in a structured unit which promotes equality liberty. for those new of us who come forth for personal reasons why should we be refused to go and see rol farintir and see its marvells why should we not have a say we love our lands enough to defend why not let us have as much a right as any other warrior
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Re:An Opportunity to Oppose Tyranny 8 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 7  
Leitha Fae wrote:
Hey all i know i should probably butt out right now but i feel strongly about this even though i dont know if ive got this right

I would encourage you to speak as your heart dictates, whether you agree with me or not. I am delighted also to be able to agree with you.

On the other hand, I am the first to advocate the view that we should obey our orders even when we do not agree with them (except in the most exceptional of circumstances, e.g. when doing so would violate Alliance law). That goes for me as much as it does for anyone else.

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#1763
Re:An Opportunity to Oppose Tyranny 8 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 5  
Leitha, your opinion is as valid as anyone elses on this matter.

It seems reasonable to me that anyone who advises the King and is party to valuable knowledge, should make a pledge of loyalty to the King first.

After all, our guilds require us to pledge most of our status before they offer the privelidge of knowing the guild's business and speaking on their behalf as High Priest/Sorceror/Master/Champion, a significant pledge in the eyes of the powers that be in Orin Rakatha.

Indeed why couldn't someone such as yourself, Quicksilver, who belives in, and can follow laws, pledge loyalty and advise the King on the basis that you will bring the voice of the non-Kingsmen to the King's ear?

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Re:An Opportunity to Oppose Tyranny 8 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 7  
Teppic,

I don't think your analogy is apt. Guilds do not claim to rule, or seek to rule, over people who have not joined those Guilds of their own free will.

Let's not forget the history, which you and I both know. We left Murandir as a Alliance of groups (namely the camps) bound together _by a Treaty_, as equal partners in a common endeavour. Now some parties in that Treaty have put forward a King. The demand of those parties is that members of other parties swear fealty to that King or be denied representation on the same land they fought to protect. Even if this were moral -- which it is not -- it is nonetheless dishonourable. (And for what it is worth, I suggest that Wolfhold's reaction to the King should be understood in precisely that light.)

As for your final suggestion, I reject it on principle. Why should those who are not Kingspeople need to be represented by a Kingsperson? And why should they not have a vote in who represents them? They may, after all, not want me to do so!

Besides, if I stood then it would appear that my campaign was designed to further my own personal influence and power. Much better, then, that I do not.

And in closing, my thanks to you for this chance to explain some of my reasoning in further depth.

Lux,

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Re:An Opportunity to Oppose Tyranny 8 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 14  
Teppic wrote:
Leitha, your opinion is as valid as anyone elses on this matter.
Heh, nice ideal but in the KVA some are more equal than others, certainly in Wolfhold.

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