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#305
Re:Call Clarification (from the membership letter) 9 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 8  
and quite clearly people call "Cause Mortal Wounds 8"....etc

and yes Cause Mortal is an unranked spell as it doesn't just affect people of a certain rank and below

as to your other point - which spells and invocations are confusing at the moment - Blindness was obviously one on the Feb event?

there are spells that cause an effect which may be ranked e.g. Sleep, Blindness, Dumbness etc and then there is the effect itself

always in the past the assumption is that shouting Sleep but no associated rank causes "Sleep Unlimited" which can also been called

I assume that for clarity sake you would wish that all effects are called x "unlimited" when they are not rank limited as they may usually be in the spell list?
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Re:Call Clarification (from the membership letter) 9 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 24  
I've written a couple of replies but they ended up long and generally echoing other people.

In short - Blindess = Effect. The Spell "Blindess" causes a Blindess Effect on certain targetting individuals (those lower than the rank) but the Effect itself is the blindndess. No modification neccessary. If an effect is called no modification required.

Oh and Adam about the whole "my helmet triggered thing". If you went on the assumption that an Unmodified Blindness call was a level 5 spell why did you bother activating a Prot Battlemagic? It only effects rank 32 characters at that point so I would assume you bounce it

Oh and the cause mortal analogy was rubbish. . although on future events my response to "Cause Mortal - 20 hits" will be "Hah hah I have 80 hits I am immune petty mortal"

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Re:Call Clarification (from the membership letter) 9 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 14  
Shaun wrote:
Oh and Adam about the whole "my helmet triggered thing". If you went on the assumption that an Unmodified Blindness call was a level 5 spell why did you bother activating a Prot Battlemagic? It only effects rank 32 characters at that point so I would assume you bounce it
Because I'm rubbish with rank based effects. For some reason it never occurs to me that I might be high enough rank to ignore something.
(maybe because until recently, neither of my characters have been)
I haven't managed to die from a "Halt! 200 hits!" yet, but give it time...

although on future events my response to "Cause Mortal - 20 hits" will be "Hah hah I have 80 hits I am immune petty mortal"
Monsters don't call the damage. Unlucky. But any monster you play is going to be well hard. You could could probably even justify the fact that a Sept does seven hits and as you have 80 you are immune to that too.

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I assume that for clarity sake you would wish that all effects are called x "unlimited" when they are not rank limited as they may usually be in the spell list?
Yes. Seems a little clearer than just a basic call being the unlimited version. Just personal preference. That or I'll just have to remember that anything without a rank call is unlimited.

L8R,
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#322
Re:Call Clarification (from the membership letter) 9 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 8  
seems like an easy change to make to avoid future confusion anything that is Unlimited Ranks will be called as such e.g. Blindness Unlimited Ranks etc
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#324
Re:Call Clarification (from the membership letter) 9 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 14  
That's the ideal solution in my mind. Perfectly clear.

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Re:Call Clarification (from the membership letter) 9 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 7  
petesutton wrote:
seems like an easy change to make to avoid future confusion anything that is Unlimited Ranks will be called as such e.g. Blindness Unlimited Ranks etc

Three points:

(1) This seems a bit inconsistent with the reasoning behind not shouting things like 'bounce'. Why cut down on OOC shouts in one place just to increase them elsewhere?

(2) It makes things more clunky. We don't really want to be shouting 'Slow unlimited ranks', 'Freeze unlimited ranks', 'Cryostasis unlimited ranks', etc., do we? And doesn't this explain the sensible norm that a rank is only shouted when it's relevant?

Your response may be that 'unranked' will only be used when the effect in question is usually ranked. But if that's so, you're relying on the player's knowledge of what effects are usually ranked... and therefore the shout appears to be defunct after all... (I hope you see the point.)

(3) The default position should be that players take effects unless they're sure they are immune (in line with the golden rule on the website). It can easily be pointed out to them by a nearby referee if they make a mistake.

Rant over... and what a way to spend a Saturday morning...
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Re:Call Clarification (from the membership letter) 9 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 24  
I think it's time for me to see a professional because Darrel is stealing my thoughts!

Completely agree with the above and sums up my feelings toward the whole "unranked" shout thing.

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#332
Re:Call Clarification (from the membership letter) 9 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 4  
Yup another +1 for Darrell's postion from me.

That was what I was going to say anyway

Effect + unranked in redundant as any effect without a rank is unranked... easy peasy.

Once you've been told that once, I don't think you'll forget.

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Re:Call Clarification (from the membership letter) 9 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 14  
I concur with the above.

I only like to change things when they are broken. I have only received one comment/complaint about this call - so I think it easier to correct the broken player

Seriously though, I think even Adam will secretly admit this is a flange too far.

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#334
Re:Call Clarification (from the membership letter) 9 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 7  
bruced wrote:
I concur with the above.

I only like to change things when they are broken. I have only received one comment/complaint about this call - so I think it easier to correct the broken player

Seriously though, I think even Adam will secretly admit this is a flange too far.

Bruce


Correcting broken players, rather than breaking functioning ones?

My Bruce, how you've come on!

P.S. The previous post wasn't me. My account was hacked by Shaun & Fraser.
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