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#13988
Re:All change at the top 2 Years, 11 Months ago Karma: 5  
Subtal as a Forging hammer Drokal

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Tornado is your mentor you say ?
In that case I take it you will be joining our front rank with flaming sword and shield in hand !
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Re:All change at the top 2 Years, 11 Months ago Karma: 5  
Ha ha, Baku,

I can see that you've at least a sense of humour.

No, I renounced combat after seeing my brothers defeated by the Empire, many years ago. One slain and the other captive. That experience also left me with a healthy distaste for fire magic and my brother Wolfram was badly burnt.

But that is all ancient history.

The pen (or perhaps the mind) is mightier than the sword, I find, although I have recently considered carrying a staff, purely for defence purposes, you understand.
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Re:All change at the top 2 Years, 11 Months ago Karma: 5  
Wow
That was unexpected talk about putting my giant foot in it .
I am deeply sorry for your loss and can fully understand your reasons for your stance of combat .
Unfortunately there are many on Orin Rakartha who do not share your views and for this reason maybe carrying staff just as a last resort in self defence is very good idea .
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Re:All change at the top 2 Years, 11 Months ago Karma: 11  
So Xernes learn that you like to have a spinning thing in charge when you're outside!

Me think the Ickybod is for not killing but that means he except that undead are alive and friendly do he must be very wise and he write so he obviously in charge exception of Firebit as she in charge as well so Icky not in charge of what she is?

Is it always so hard when you go out?

Baku me sure he look like person me seen in pit but maybe you all look the same.

Me look at list on tree and me not out till next one so maybe go learn some more things from library.

Xernes think he will like outside as sounds like chicken coupe so just like home.

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Re:All change at the top 2 Years, 11 Months ago Karma: 5  
Xernes,

How pleasant to make your acquaintance.

Now, you've raised a difficult metaphysical issue over whether the undead are considered alive or not and I would lump elementals into that question also.

I certainly used to believe that undead had spirit, even if it didn't inhabit it's original body, so that I would not attack them.
However, I had a conversation with brother John of the Hospital and he said that after much agonising over the issue, he had determined that they were not truly alive.

I think the difference is that when they are killed their spirit is not released to the next stage (and ultimately to the beyond) but go directly back to where they were summoned from, that being the Plane of the Sleepless Dead.

The case of certain intelligent undead is more problematic as often they are the original inhabitant of the body which are either corrupted or unnaturally extended.
I'm thinking here of vampires, liches and ghosts. Indeed, ghosts may not even be evil or corrupted at all.
In these cases I take a judgement as and when I need to, but in general I would shy away from combat.

So by my own definition, one might consider elementals to fall into this group? Well the answer is... maybe.

There is a philosophy that I am inclined to believe is true, that states that all the powers: priest, mage and mentalist - and probably others, are all rooted in the spheres and ultimately are the same thing.
If this is true, then a summoned elemental, existing as it does in a different plane independently, may have as much claim to be alive as we do.
Indeed there may well be some sort of spirit within them but perhaps we might not recognise it as such.

Certainly the more powerful elementals are fully conscious and show some stewardship for their lesser brethren but whether that is akin to a priest shepherding his flock or a baron guarding his serfs, is not clear.

The lesser elementals do prove to be a persistent threat to adventurers and given that they have minimal (if any) conscious intelligence I think it is correct to destroy them with magic thereby sending them back to their origin.

So after a rather longwinded and boring response the reply is:

Undead and elements alive? No, except the big ones.


This wine is quite heady stuff don't you think?

I.
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#14007
Re:All change at the top 2 Years, 11 Months ago Karma: 8  
Thes is aw far tay complicated fur swally gab. th' next bodie fa goes oan abit which groops ay things shoods (undeid, elemental, an' other assorted chaos fiddlin', sark liftin', nancies) ur shoods nae hae their heids kicked in is gonnae th' reit way fur a nine hole schlopp special.
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Re:All change at the top 2 Years, 11 Months ago Karma: 26  
Ichabod said:
Undead and elements alive? No, except the big ones.

They're all unnatural.

And the dead should be left ter sleep.
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#14010
Re:All change at the top 2 Years, 11 Months ago Karma: 5  
HANG ON A MINUTE .
What's this crazy talk about elementals not being alive , I'm sat here having this conversation , how much more alive would you like me to be ?
I may not be the biggest or smartest elemental walking about but surely this doesn't give any old wanna be adventurer the right to try and stove my head in !

Elementals have rights too you know !
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Re:All change at the top 2 Years, 11 Months ago Karma: 11  
So must be that Baku is BIG as Ikybod is brainy as he drinks wine, which Xernes drinks as well if nothing else going, so maybe as Ikcybod is from library and he drink wine it must be true, wine make you brainy.

Hamlush is of course right that he says, but then not really sure what he says.

So if BIG elemental aloud in Nation that mean if me bring BIG undead back with him when out it be loud in then

When we go out can we visit anybody or as we got to follow a path?

Xernes miss Lord M. Lord M leave long time ago say Xernes a good boy and have to stay here. Xernes always do what Lord M say as he was da boss.

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#14013
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Ohhh Ichabod,
you've just made my head hurt chuck

Xernes... WHAT AM I IN CHARGE OFF???
I have no idea.
And Ichabod aint in charge of me, nor am I him!

ohh my head hurts.

And yes a staff would be useful for you Ichabod.
Also, stop not letting me job things lol. things could have gone a whole lot better if youd listened to me about that green college turncoat!
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